As we're on a new forum it's only fair to have another thread asking why Ubi does nothing about smurfs.

I just had a game ruined by 2 players on the other team both of who ran black ice/plat charms. Their KD is 1.8.

A 1.8 KD ex plat in low silver/bronze is such an obvious smurf, and such an obvious instance of someone exploiting the system and ruining the game for other people, I don't understand why this hasn't been resolved by Ubisoft by now.

Could a Ubi person reply with why nothing is being done? The new season fixes a few quality of life things which is nice, but no MMR/Ranked 2.0 is a huge disappointment, and the continued issue with smurfing/MMR exploits are going to stop me putting any more money into this game.

the battle pass is an interesting concept (multiple routes etc), but it's so clunky and horrible to navigate it's barely usable. Like, who designed that interface and was happy enough to push it live? I constantly get stuck and it's impossible to tell what's where - so bad.

Ranked 2.0 is a huge flop - if you're a plat player you shouldn't have to grind for 50 games to achieve plat, you should be placed there quickly.

They need to stop smurfing and stop pitting 3-5 stacks against solo queuing players, or at least take this into consideration when match making (e.g. 3-5 stack adds a small amount to squad MMR for match making).

They keep hiding problems (e.g. the random mess of ranks in every ranked game now) rather than actually fixing problems.

They should also put players who communicate in squads together - I've lost count of how many games I've played where people don't even bother to say where they died from, resulting into us getting flanked, or 2-3 players dying the exact same way.

It feels like they know the game is beyond salvage now, and they either can't be bothered to fix it or somehow despite all the consistent community feedback for years on end they don't know what to do.

It's sad really - siege was so good at its peak, but this company just does not have what it takes to save it. Chances of anything but a continued decline seem so unlikely.

@ubi-milky ok not bothering with battle pass then. Cross progression is one thing but just activating battle pass on both must be super easy, that's a dumb thing not to prioritise.

@killervailes agree that ranked needs a rework, but I don't think you ever want everyone to finish every session with positive MMR - have to keep players distributed across the ranks or it's all pointless.

Some basic changes they should IMO roll out:

1. Less MMR lost if you lose but you're the MVP/got loads of kills defuses plants etc
2. Less MMR gained if you win but you don't contribute in any trackable way
3. Less MMR lost if you play 4v5 for more of the game and still make the other team work for it. Only trigger this when it's not someone in your squad who leaves, to prevent people abusing this.
4. Less MMR lost if you're solo queuing against a 3/4/5 stack
5. Less MMR lost if you go to OT
6. Get rid of that [censored] 700 MMR squad limit. The problem it's trying to solve is plats squadding with coppers and playing against silver - just changing the weighting of squad MMR - if a copper wants to squad with a plat then they should play against plats and high gold's. People throwing game to lower their MMR so they can play with their friends sucks.

Most of what I hate against ranked is smurfing (which must be SO simple to spot and resolve, get your heads out your asses Ubi), playing against 4/5 stacks and the constant +40 for a win, -40 for a loss regardless of how well/poorly you played.

@ubi-thrupney there are so many SIMPLE things that could be implemented instantly to solve the problem, it's absolutely poisoning the game. I'm seeing smurfs with plat charms in about 40% of games this season, it's the first season since I started playing again I could even get close to gold, it's a complete joke.

Do you think new players will stick around playing against smurfs? It's going to kill the game you morons.

Simple changes that could be done THIS SEASON:

1. Identify people farming accounts to sell (monitor if a large number of accounts originate on one device and end up on other devices)
2. If someone has a plat account and a 2.0 KD bronze account on the same machine then increase their MMR substantially so there isn't such an obvious disparity
3. Punish players for throwing their placement games (toxic behaviour, TKing, destroying teammates utility)
4. Be smarter working out squad MMR - ditch the stupid 700 limit (as it forces people to throw so they can play with their friends), weight the average towards the higher ranks in the squad and do the maths to monitor how each common squad operates and determine whether the squad matchmaking MMR should be high or lower while in a stack
5. Punish players who have a crazy high KD but throw rounds (as above, but including things like playing for kills while refusing to plant or defuse when there's no reason not to)
6. The MMR maths is also childishly basic, it's embarrassing. If you're the MVP and carry a terrible team to OT you shouldn't lose 40 MMR, it makes no sense. So many basic changes that can be done if you get your heads out your asses.

The new season had a couple of ok quality of life changes but overall is extremely boring, if you're going to half [censored] the level of content you produce at least fix the fundamental problems in the game, it's pretty close to being too late.

@ubi-thrupney this has been an issue for years, and it's rampant right now. I play against people with plat charms and crazy high KD's all the time.

When is something going to change? This isn't a new problem that just popped up on the radar.

Any time I try to use match replay it takes about ten times longer than it should and I usually give up before I see the thing I actually want.

It's super common for the last play of the round/game to be the one people want to look at, yet as soon as the timer hits the end of the footage it automatically loads the next round or closes the play.

Even ignoring the constant audio bugs, whoever thought this current format allows people to view footage easily should be fired.

Fix the long loading times. Fix it kicking you out the round/game once the time expires.

Seriously ubisoft, your game is a joke - stop half assing EVERYTHING.

While I'm here it's insanely stupid that you can unlock player cards showing skins you don't have unlocked. Again, who thought that made any sense at all? Is no one sense checking any of the ideas? Morons.

@TupacsBoy agreed on Ranked 2.0 - all they've done is hidden the old rank/MMR system that people complained about rather than fixing it.

The game is still in a pretty terrible state and so I'm not going to play a lot which means I'm going to finish the season with Copper rank.

I remember the satisfaction of getting the whole squad online for your placement games and seeing where everyone landed - everyone starting at the bottom of copper is super boring.

Ranked is still terrible at actually putting 10 people together who will have a close, competitive game, and without that what's the point?

R6 Tracker's overlay gave me a 1% chance of winning the past 4 games, and surprise surprise, my team got steamrolled all 4 times and they were all zero fun.

I don't think it's even smurfing/deranking any more - their match making is just absolutely terrible, although there very often seems to be one player in the lobby who goes 10-1 and changes the entire game for everyone. As you say I don't think they balance the averages of each squad well at all.

No wonder the game is dying - I'll try again when they update ranked 2.0. For now it's same old but without the satisfaction of being able to reach a new rank without 100 hours of grinding per season. So disappointing.

6 losses in a row, 1 win in my last 10 games - what a load of [censored] ranked 2.0 is.

I've uninstalled and I don't think I'll reinstall again - what a pathetic company. Such a shame they ruined such a great game.

the battle pass is an interesting concept (multiple routes etc), but it's so clunky and horrible to navigate it's barely usable. Like, who designed that interface and was happy enough to push it live? I constantly get stuck and it's impossible to tell what's where - so bad.

Ranked 2.0 is a huge flop - if you're a plat player you shouldn't have to grind for 50 games to achieve plat, you should be placed there quickly.

They need to stop smurfing and stop pitting 3-5 stacks against solo queuing players, or at least take this into consideration when match making (e.g. 3-5 stack adds a small amount to squad MMR for match making).

They keep hiding problems (e.g. the random mess of ranks in every ranked game now) rather than actually fixing problems.

They should also put players who communicate in squads together - I've lost count of how many games I've played where people don't even bother to say where they died from, resulting into us getting flanked, or 2-3 players dying the exact same way.

It feels like they know the game is beyond salvage now, and they either can't be bothered to fix it or somehow despite all the consistent community feedback for years on end they don't know what to do.

It's sad really - siege was so good at its peak, but this company just does not have what it takes to save it. Chances of anything but a continued decline seem so unlikely.

@Ubi-TheBerry what, if anything, was done about smurfing? It's still a huge problem, and I haven't seen any response about actions taken.

I can tell you that if things have been done, they have not worked in any way.

The game is dying because of basic issues because of smurfing - averaging team MMR DOES NOT WORK if you do this by having one amazing player and 4 bad players.

The system is not doing its job, and smurfing is rampant.

Per the title, what is being done in ranked 2.0 to prevent smurfing?

An increasing number of players I'm facing have KD's of 1.5+ across a large number of games, and most of them admin to smurfing when they're accused of cheating.

Smurfing has been an issue for years and Ubisoft has done absolutely nothing about it. It ruins the game for every other player in the lobby, goes against the Ubisoft terms and conditions, and hugely contributes to new players not sticking at the game.

Why are you doing nothing to fix this? It's so incredibly easy to spot - I genuinely don't understand why you're just letting it happen.

I've been trying to get back into siege after 2 season off to see if Ranked 2.0 solves any issues but so far all it's done is taken away placement games (something I enjoyed), added in additional ranks, and just attempted to hide issues such as smurfing as every lobby is a complete jumble of different ranks.

How incredibly disappointing to see that this game continues its death spiral and Ubisoft is too incompetent to do anything about it. Very close to quitting for good, and based on the lobbies I've played in everyone else is sick of it as well.

@TupacsBoy agreed on Ranked 2.0 - all they've done is hidden the old rank/MMR system that people complained about rather than fixing it.

The game is still in a pretty terrible state and so I'm not going to play a lot which means I'm going to finish the season with Copper rank.

I remember the satisfaction of getting the whole squad online for your placement games and seeing where everyone landed - everyone starting at the bottom of copper is super boring.

Ranked is still terrible at actually putting 10 people together who will have a close, competitive game, and without that what's the point?

R6 Tracker's overlay gave me a 1% chance of winning the past 4 games, and surprise surprise, my team got steamrolled all 4 times and they were all zero fun.

I don't think it's even smurfing/deranking any more - their match making is just absolutely terrible, although there very often seems to be one player in the lobby who goes 10-1 and changes the entire game for everyone. As you say I don't think they balance the averages of each squad well at all.

No wonder the game is dying - I'll try again when they update ranked 2.0. For now it's same old but without the satisfaction of being able to reach a new rank without 100 hours of grinding per season. So disappointing.

Any time I try to use match replay it takes about ten times longer than it should and I usually give up before I see the thing I actually want.

It's super common for the last play of the round/game to be the one people want to look at, yet as soon as the timer hits the end of the footage it automatically loads the next round or closes the play.

Even ignoring the constant audio bugs, whoever thought this current format allows people to view footage easily should be fired.

Fix the long loading times. Fix it kicking you out the round/game once the time expires.

Seriously ubisoft, your game is a joke - stop half assing EVERYTHING.

While I'm here it's insanely stupid that you can unlock player cards showing skins you don't have unlocked. Again, who thought that made any sense at all? Is no one sense checking any of the ideas? Morons.

@ubi-viral couldn't you have just taken the stuff I included in my original post and got the ball rolling rather than deleting it and putting the onus on me again to help you improve your game?

The "report a player" functionality on the ubisoft website is insanely unreliable. More often than not it won't let me submit, and it doesn't tell me until I click the button, so I waste time attaching files and writing a detailed response.

Latest cheater used some blatant wall hacks - you can see him pre-fire everything and know where people are when there are no drones around and they're stationary and making zero noise. You can also see him glance at the map to see whether any defenders are nearby, and when he sees the all clear he pushes.



I'm currently trying to grind out 50 unbearable levels having moved from PS4 to PC, constantly facing cheaters and diamonds/plats in unranked is sickening as it's costing me thousands of XP, prolonging the pain (not that ranked will be that much better).

In ranked you get back the MMR you lost when you face a cheater, but what's being done to reimburse the time spent for someone like me who cares more about XP so they can unlock ranked?

@ubi-viral I've moved to PC and I'm currently having to grind out 50 unbearable levels against plat/diamond players and cheaters. Absolutely sucks.

To help me justify crawling through all this excrement can you please confirm whether all of the skins and operators from my main (PS4) account will sync over to PC once the project is launched in early 2022?

I can't seem to find anything specific that mentions whether skins will update.

@ubi-milky ok not bothering with battle pass then. Cross progression is one thing but just activating battle pass on both must be super easy, that's a dumb thing not to prioritise.